tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4248478318892426116.post3987403261822395137..comments2024-02-20T17:48:55.571-05:00Comments on Freedom Through Truth: Sola Scriptura and the Doctor Phil TestMichael Brandonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17557797099650457723noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4248478318892426116.post-28303880216166851162011-01-10T19:15:51.832-05:002011-01-10T19:15:51.832-05:00Cliff:
You quote an example which surprises me at...Cliff:<br /><br />You quote an example which surprises me at its apparent craziness (Holy Cross Fathers), and highlighted a joyful resolution to the apparent problem.<br /><br />Catholic human beings, me included, are open to sin and error. <br /><br />But, as a Catholic, I do look inside my Church, where I see a perfect Church inhabited by imperfect people.<br /><br />Catholics are quite capable of behaving deplorably, so are Protestants, and how about Jews and Islamists. <br /><br />But, the primary thing that separated Christians is doctrine.<br /><br />Sola Scriptura and the Eucharist prevent us from being fully together, along with a few other choice ones.<br /><br />That said, it was the American Pentecostal Movement that was responsible for planting the seeds of what became the Catholic Charismatic Movement back in the late 60's, which JPII called one of the most signigifant moves of the Holy Spirit in the Catholic Church.<br /><br />As a church musician for many years, I usually listened to Praise and Worship from our Protestant brethren, because theirs was the best, and still is. My friends and I incorporated, where possible and appropriate, music that fit the need, regardless of its source.<br /><br />The outreach to the young people in the Catholic Church through LifeTeen Masses and gatherings is largely based on music from the other side of the Christian House.<br /><br />Alpha is flourishing in the Catholic Church, but it did not start with us, and we are enjoying the fruit of it.<br /><br />We have much to share with each other, but I desperately want to share the Eucharist with my separated brothers and sisters. Nothing uplifts me more than receiving the Eucharist. It is indescribable. <br /><br />It bothers me to see Catholics come to the Eucharist with no understanding of what it really is. It bothers me almost as much to see non Catholics at a wedding or funeral unable to receive Jesus in the Eucharist, when they are more likely to be able to grasp what it means, because many of them have been better catechised.<br /><br />God Bless You<br /><br />MichaelMichael Brandonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17557797099650457723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4248478318892426116.post-87054317842838596332011-01-10T19:15:46.257-05:002011-01-10T19:15:46.257-05:00Cliff:
You quote an example which surprises me at...Cliff:<br /><br />You quote an example which surprises me at its apparent craziness (Holy Cross Fathers), and highlighted a joyful resolution to the apparent problem.<br /><br />Catholic human beings, me included, are open to sin and error. <br /><br />But, as a Catholic, I do look inside my Church, where I see a perfect Church inhabited by imperfect people.<br /><br />Catholics are quite capable of behaving deplorably, so are Protestants, and how about Jews and Islamists. <br /><br />But, the primary thing that separated Christians is doctrine.<br /><br />Sola Scriptura and the Eucharist prevent us from being fully together, along with a few other choice ones.<br /><br />That said, it was the American Pentecostal Movement that was responsible for planting the seeds of what became the Catholic Charismatic Movement back in the late 60's, which JPII called one of the most signigifant moves of the Holy Spirit in the Catholic Church.<br /><br />As a church musician for many years, I usually listened to Praise and Worship from our Protestant brethren, because theirs was the best, and still is. My friends and I incorporated, where possible and appropriate, music that fit the need, regardless of its source.<br /><br />The outreach to the young people in the Catholic Church through LifeTeen Masses and gatherings is largely based on music from the other side of the Christian House.<br /><br />Alpha is flourishing in the Catholic Church, but it did not start with us, and we are enjoying the fruit of it.<br /><br />We have much to share with each other, but I desperately want to share the Eucharist with my separated brothers and sisters. Nothing uplifts me more than receiving the Eucharist. It is indescribable. <br /><br />It bothers me to see Catholics come to the Eucharist with no understanding of what it really is. It bothers me almost as much to see non Catholics at a wedding or funeral unable to receive Jesus in the Eucharist, when they are more likely to be able to grasp what it means, because many of them have been better catechised.<br /><br />God Bless You<br /><br />MichaelMichael Brandonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17557797099650457723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4248478318892426116.post-66467506632068935942011-01-10T18:46:42.736-05:002011-01-10T18:46:42.736-05:00I concur with your points about the divisions with...I concur with your points about the divisions within the Protestant Church body, it is deplorable. That being said, I agree we should all be one, but what form of unity are you talking about? Is it an invisible, imperceptible body where we are unified in key points but disagree on secondary doctrines?<br /><br />Example: Pro-life conference held in Montreal 2005. The Holy Cross Fathers from the Oratory cancelled the use of their building minutes before the conference began putting hundreds of visitors and organizers in a quandary. Is this being the unified, one, holy catholic church?<br /><br />But you know what happened next, a small Evangelical church took in the pro-life guests. Now who do you say is Judas in this case and who is the true "Peter"?<br /><br />I know it is easier to see the speck in the eyes of others but ignore the plank in our own. On the point of unity, I think Catholics need to look within their own body first before pointing to the "speck" in the eyes of a protestant.<br /><br /><br />CliffAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4248478318892426116.post-60436219239701897072011-01-10T13:34:46.526-05:002011-01-10T13:34:46.526-05:00Larry:
Thank you for your comment. I amended one ...Larry:<br /><br />Thank you for your comment. I amended one word to concur with John 17:21 per your first part.<br /><br />It requires a judgement on my part to respond to part of your question: "Do you really expect that every human being has the capacity or is even aware of the desire to ’ seek the truth’ and become ‘ WISE‘ ?"<br /><br />I do not know everyone, and so do not know if all have the capacity specifically to seek the truth, but since all are created in the image and likeness of God, I suspect that they do.<br /><br />"Are all aware?" is a really good question. I think that the state of the world we live in and the state of families, countries, companies, tribes, etc. indicates that many are not aware of seeking the truth above being rights, and are interested in Wisdom.<br /><br />We tend to look at Being One, humility, wisdom, humility as destinations. They are more a journey, and this journey will not conclude here on the earth.Michael Brandonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17557797099650457723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4248478318892426116.post-21016853286735018742011-01-09T21:35:39.140-05:002011-01-09T21:35:39.140-05:00I have to be honest , I have skimmed over the body...I have to be honest , I have skimmed over the body of your ‘essay’ but I would like to share my opinion about the summary.<br />I think you mean God wants us to be one as Jesus , Holy Spirit and Father are one. There is a fallacy of equivocation in that proposition. The peace and the love realized through the unity of human endeavour is in absolutely no way like the unity of the Blessed Trinity. The unity of the Blessed Trinity means - One Being - same essence ( species ).<br />To the second point. Do you really expect that every human being has the capacity or is even aware of the desire to ’ seek the truth’ and become ‘ WISE‘ ?<br />Who is wise ? <br />What is humility ?<br />How can we be ’one’ with so many in the world who lack this potential ? <br /> <br />Who can be righteous unless she knows what is right. <br /><br />How is God holy ?Larry Greennoreply@blogger.com